Loading...Hey guys, today we take a look at the commander rework on the PTS server and test out the secondaries on the higher tier German Battleships and the Ohio. Enjoy!
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i wish they made the secondary accuracy an option, either have the 60% accuracy buff to one side or have 35% buff to both.
60% to one target is way better than 35 to both. Currently unimproved secondary build is quite dead.
@I Gusti Praba ohhh okay
@I Gusti Praba Yeah there are just too few situations in random battles where you can have the enemy on both sides of your ship. However if you do run into that kind of situation, it’s very likely that you are been cross fired and very close to getting sunk
WG: With this rework, we wan’t to promote different playstyles.
Also WG: Let’s kill the only battleship build that is an alternative to a detrimental border-hugging sniper.
Their is always an AA build. i hear Vermont has god tier aa.
@Jay Werner Only because it has defensive AA consumable – though it is good, I’ll admit. Question is – how good will it be after the skill rework, if you factor all the toughness bonuses for aircraft as well?
Besides – I don’t feel like torturing myself in Vermont line, unable to reach any sort of reasonable speed.
@Jay Werner Vermont AA is *kinda* good, but once you encounter a he spammer who just rips it all off, then you don’t stand a chance
@HidesHisFace and also one fewer charge of defensive AA after WG get rid of superintendent
Germans ships exist, Wargaming: NERF
you can even feel it in Sea Lord’s voices, he’s grieving now
They made it 21 skill points so people can get back to builds they already have on the live server, such a rip off. Moved the goalposts and forced a grind on everyone
I am going to stop playing this game if they implement this in the game, i like playing german ships most, but now they are trying to kill that fun
Bye
I’ve done some math and I think i figured out what happened:
Originally Manual Secondaries reduced dispersion by 60% to 40% of the original. Since the dispersion ellipse is two dimensional this means that the size of the dispersion ellipse was reduced to (0.4)^2=0.16 or 16%. Now if we assume that the target is smaller than that ellipse and that shells have an equal chance of landing anywhere within that ellipse we can say that the chance to hit the target is proportional to one divided by the area of the ellipse. One divided by 0.16 is 6.25. That means that with the old manual secondaries the chance to hit a small target at range was 6.25 times better than without it.
With the new manual secondaries the reduction is only 35% to 65% of the original. This means that the area of the ellipse is only reduced to 42.25% ((0.65)^2=0.4225). This means the accuracy is only improved to 2.37 (1/0.4225=2.367…) times. In addition we can get the other side firing with base accuracy for a total 3.27 times the effective firepower . This means that the new manual secondaries skill is only 52% as effective as the old one.
What I think that WG did is they only looked at the width of the dispersion rather than at the area of the ellipse. If we use that to calculate than the old manual secondaries improved effective firepower by 2.5 (1/0.4) times while the new secondaries give 2.54 (1/0.65+1) times more firepower. By this metric the new skill would even be a bit better than the old one. However the math is just wrong not taking into account both the width AND the hight of the ellipse. If you wanted to match the old skills effectiveness while taking into account the other side you would need a reduction of dispersion of 56.4% on the new skill (1/(1-0.564)^2+1=6.26) which is almost identical to the value of the old skill.
Furthermore these calculation dont take two major factors into account. Firstly situations where you have targets for your secondaries on both sides of the ship are significantly rarer the situations where you have targets only one side. Secondly many ships have some of their secondary batteries on the centerline meaning they can only fire one one side at a time. Both of these combine to further reduce the value of the second side of your secondaries below the value of 1 which I assumed above.
Of course all of these equations only hold in situations where the profile of the enemy ship fits entirely into the dispersion ellipse, which means either targeting small ships of targeting at long ranges (for secondaries) however considering secondaries show their greatest value in being able to deal with DDs and considering that being able to deal damage at range is paramount in battle between larger ships I feel that these assumption mostly do aply to the reality of the game.
@Phuoc Nguyen Well secondary armaments have a sigma of 1.0 so they do have an equal chance of landing anywhere inside their dispersion ellipse
Amen!
@Go Spleef Yourself a sigma 1.0 (assuming that is true, because it was not actually verified) does not mean an equal chance of landing anywhere.
A standard deviation formula (wiki for this) with a 1.0 sigma will lead to around 68% of the shells to land in the center of the ellipse
@Phuoc Nguyen well ig I learn something new everyday
Ur math > RNG
I’m done with WG. They can play their sh** alone.
+++ i am aslo considering to drop this shit. Already playing less. Borderhuging, he spamming, smoke farming, island farming.. well, no thanks, there are better games out there.
All WG had to do was say, “60% accuracy on secondaries to targets you manually specify, the opposite side secondaries fire automatically with unmodified accuracy.” Small buff to secondaries, nothing game breaking. If they were real chads, they’d apply the dispersion buff to sub-T7s, so Oklahoma could be good. But even still, people asked for secondaries firing on the off-side. This is pretty much the opposite of what anyone wanted.
WG shows that they have poor people’s mentality – they get a heart attack every time they even think about giving away some pixels.
Let it also be mentioned, “let this sink in for a moment, German CVs have better dispersion then the battleships” makes a wonder.
Oh and another thing, in the new commander skill tree for CV’s, there is no IFHE so there is literally no point in running a secondary build on any carrier except GZ and to an extent Erich Lowenhardt.
@Vlad McCain Pretty much lol XD
@Dr4kon M why? who would go running into battleships and have secondary brawls with them in a cv? the secondaries on cvs are mostly against dds, and 26mm of penetration is more than enough for dealing with all dds
words of wisdom
For an anti-DD weapons system, this is pretty ineffective… thanks to the “naval history buffs” at WG.
I’m very sad about this. The way I see it they want all BB the same, no specifics for each nation. They nerfed the fun in this game.
WG just wants everyone to play at 20km.
thats why even light cruisers with sub 150mm guns can shoot nearly 20km
So secondaries are basically just a cool visual/audio perk now?
yep, they’re basically fireworks again which act as early proximity warning for ships that sneak into your blind spot
when this goes live im quitting WOWS. that is just a fact.
They found a way to nerf our good ships. AGAIN they are screwing with us.
They better buff secondaries. That’s like the only joy this game brings me anymore.
Spent a few quid on this game but never ever again. When premium time goes – i go !!!! im starting to HATE this game. WG are greedy bastards. They only care about MONEY !!!!
@David Potts I dont know mate, I have GK, and you must park reversed to enemy and farm him for long time and even after that secondaries will have 30% of your total damage. also you are much more likeli to get torped because you are stationary, much easier get striked by CV and spammed from 20km with HE.
I have much more success just play tank build with GK.
I don’t see why they have to nerf those poor german battleships, the only strong thing that they have are armor and secondaries, if you nerf one, the strongest one, they pretty much become bad ships
I think the new secondary accuracy improvement skill worth at most 2 skill point