Oh how I wanted to love this Tier 6 French Premium Battleship, the Dunkerque,, but she completely breaks my heart by being just bad, bad, bad, bad, bad and…BAD T__T
I’m surprised that Aerroon seems to really like her.
IChase is that on the test server? Where you got 1milion gold, 34 milion credits and 7 milion free xp? Good guide btw (both versions) ;)
Hey Chase, I teach Military History, and if my digging provides anything, the dispersion on these guns is almost pointedly accurate… Due to the split turrets, and the inability to fire a single gun per turret, at minimum the real ship had to fire two guns which would affect the guns on the other side of the turret…. Making the turret have to be re-zeroed in times of combat… So I see the frustration but it is a historical accuracy of the ship… I don’t understand why the turrets don’t fire in two gun salvos though…. That baffles me…
One thing that seems to run through expert commentary in WoWS is frustration with shot dispersion. It is just SO inconsistent, SO random, SO maddening. It’s not enough to know where to aim; you have to know where to aim EVERY time AND have RNG comply. And that doesn’t happen as often as it should.
For WG to think this glorified slot machine-type gameplay will become an E-sport… LOL!!
WG ain’t gonna get many sales on these reviews. Why do they keep making such garbage ships?
how did you do the on deck walkthrough
I am wondering why they didn’t make Strasbourg the premium ship like they did with Tirpitz over Bismarck? Strasbourg had 283mm side armor, 360mm turret armor and 127-137mm deck armor. The notes on the 330mm (13″) 1931 gun says it fired a 560kg (1,235 lb) AP shell over 40km (24 mi) at high velocity (870 mps/ 2,850 fps) with a flat trajectory. It could penetrate 342mm (13.5″) of armor at 23 km (25,000 yards/14 miles) and 292mm (11.5″) at 27.5km (30,000 yards/17 miles). The flat trajectory lowers deck penetration while it’s noted the four-gun turret affected accuracy. Other notes say the gun mountings were complicated with only two 100 hp motors available to rotate the 1,500 mt turrets. Elevation was limited to 35°. The guns were heavily protected in an dual twin design with two guns per sleeve and 25-40 mm armor dividing each gun compartment within the turret. At Mers-el-Kébir a British 15″ shell hit Dunkerque in one of her turrets: the projectile penetrated the roof and killed everyone in the semi-turret, but the other pair of guns continued to operate. So Wargaming has that wrong. Wargaming tells us that their policy is that no one can buy an advantage but as I’ve said before they sure will sell you junk. I’m sorry it came out bad. I would have bought it otherwise.
It’s a French battleship – what did you expect……. The French never managed to adjust to using steel instead of wood for their capital ships
Plot twist: this ship is released ONLY to make the Scharnhorst look even better
23:16 You disappointed me chase. You said F……ine? I was expecting you to say F=)k.
mayby wargamming will reduce it to tier 5
ill stick to al bundy: Its wrong to be frensh!
It’s disappointing to hear about the lack of turret partitions. That would’ve at least been an interesting feature.
IChase. About the guns , they are actually historically accurate. The Dunkerque class battlecruisers ware horrible. The problem was that the guns ware packed so closely to each other , that when 1 fires it trows the aim of all others. The ship had a reputation of not been able to hit the side of a barn from the inside. Her armor was desined to only counter Graf Spee’s 11 inch (just like the Scharnhost). The ship was horrific in real life ,I dont know what WG can do to make it better. That is the reason why the Germans used only double turrets for their large caliber designs and historically had the best aim with it (even tho in WOWs they are balanced as the most inaccurate ships….)
chase did u delete thats guys (+1/-1) new MM comment for next patch? i know he was beyond wrong but isnt it better to teach people like that also if he replied with something stupid and uncalled for let me see it before u delete it lol thats just ruining my fun
Rip I was excited for this
Ok, how did you do that glorious deck walk in the beginning??
Sure is weird seeing yourself from the otherside of the replay. Funnily enough when you first saw my Colorado I went ” Oh no a Dunkerque, I have no idea what that thing can do!”, then you turned around, I breathed a sigh of relief, and started firing at cruisers instead. Wish I knew you were that scared of my little Colorado.
This ship was never meant to go up against BB’s from my understanding. it was meant to counteract the German Deutschland class ships hence to shitty armour. This ship is not a BB but more of a battlecruiser. I could be wrong on this but I think I am correct.
Not set try shooting he I know I sound crazy but maybe it a he ship
31 mins video bruh…..
She’s French what do you expect? They’re just gonna surrender anyways
Typical French ship… Just bad because the French never were good sailors. Every country was better then the French.
Hm, sounds like this thing was meant to go after Carriers, if it can’t engage BBs or Cruisers very well, shame hardly anyone plays those anymore. I’m thinking of getting one or two Prem BBs, Warspite is a definite maybe, now contemplating the Scharnhorst, but this thing? Nope.
the french should just stick to making food
Judas Priest, I think you spent a whole 45 seconds of that game unspotted. :/ This feels more like a Battlecruiser than a Battleship, IMO. And the RN showed us all what happens when you pit BCs against BBs. Twice. I may pick this up, but only because I am an inveterate collector. Otherwise, I must say I’m rather underwhelmed with this ship. Alas. Hopefully the Richelieu / Jean Bart will be better?
iChase, I can’t tell you how much this question troubled me: I have no idea whether the Midway overpowers the Hakuryu, or the other way around. I heard so many people boosting about how flexible the Hakuryu is, while watching your video about how OP the Midway is. Could you please upload a video comparing the two after the recent upgrade, iChase?
[Akbar] We can’t repel fire of that magnitude! [/Akbar]
the thing with dispersion and damage seems to be a trend for all BBs now though
Bad Accuracy and Dispersion is not the trouble of the gun alone, but also Fire Control system. Historicly Japanese have better if not the best Optical rangefinder in the world – which is true even today as you can found every DSLR and its respective lens were either cannon or Nikon.
The US however have best radar rangefinder in the war. Mk 13 in IOWA have 3cm Wavelenght 50kW output, enabled it to Blindfire with very accurate result with high realibility.
Now lets look at Dunkerque, The french dont have those optical prowness of Japanese (or German which also produce quality lens), and their radar director technology were also lagged behind – Dunkerque Type 284M have like 50cm Wavelenght, that means their radar lacks the angular accuracy needed to produce effective firring solution.
The Japanese and German managed to make 10cm Wavelenght Radar capable of producing Decent firing solution like Mk 2, Mod 2 on Yamato near the end of conflict, but it still cant maintain firing solution on taget performing radical maneuvers.
So, the Inconsistent shoot might have historical basis afterall
🙁 Another good review. I’m like you as I was REALLY looking forward to her, but it looks like I’ll have to pass. Drag. I’m a battle cruiser guy at heart, but she would have be throwing things at the screen.
she’s gunna need a reload buff maybe down to 24 secs or something along the lines
Seems to be a theme developing with every review of the Dunkerque, and it’s this “buyer beware do not buy this ship!” Shame really as she looks like a very unique good looking ship that could give hours of great fun but it’s not to be. The dispersion is really bad but the inconsistent performance of those shells when you do hit is what’s killing this ship, it’s almost like the performance of the Royal Navy shells during the Battle of Jutland, the shells were striking the targets but either not penetrating ie bouncing or the explosive filler was not detonating, because of the design flaw of the Royal Navies shells. Has Wargaming modeled this ships shells correctly?
Thanks for the video, this help me to save some money :P
Battlecruisers are so unbalanced and poorly implemented at the moment to the point that most are useless and because WG refuses to classify or provide a role for this class of vessels they will most likely stay this way, at least in the near future.
The ship might not be great in WoWs, but damn she was beatiful! The french did indeed know how to build great warships. The Dunkerque was of course designed to fight the Italian and German navies and not other massive battleships like those built by the Japanese, Americans and British. The french were excellent ship builders and had been for the past 300 years. There is a reason why even the Japanese had French ship builders design and build their ships before WW1.
Wow… She should NEVER have been higher than tier 5, I mean even at tier 5, Kongo and New York both have 356mm guns and FAR better armor!
This ship is just dead weight at tier 6 and above. But hey, I will probably have a good time killing them in my Molotov!
Dunkerque, or how I learnt to stop worrying and love RNG
oh btw, there seems to be some maor issues with the ribbons a least and/or the damage calculation, mainly of AP shells. a lot of german cruiser cpts. have those issues and almost all BB drivers. just watch the first min on Business6 Ships and Giggles 10 to see what i mean. I HATE that there are obviously broken things ingame that WG is not abled to fix!
This Vs Warspite?
Needs to be a Tier 5 , does not seem to be better than a Kongo
What are those “Testers” testing anyway? Bugs by yoloing into the Enemy? Does their opinion even matter in terms of Balance? Anyone who has a slight clue of that game can tell that there is something wrong just by looking at the numbers…those guns at least need a reload in the low 20s to be competitive…esp. since almost all T6 BBs are pure awesomeness! i bett hey want us to use HE on BBs more seeing this has up to 38% fire and the high tier germans get up to 44%
in other word’s ……….
the gun ( the ship to be more preciesly ) is so RNG :D
What is the “noob”-friendliest tier 8 premium? I am indifferent between ship types.
please.subscribe on my chanell
So we will see overpens when this thing is broadside to 16 inch guns? ;)
I’am 31:05 this Atago
… yeah the turret traverse was pretty significantly good. Reload good. Speed good. Not really sure this ship is as bad as you make it out. (Correction : Just watched Jingles video …hmmm … does not look like a very good ship)
Chase, WG should’ve released the France’s Richelieu-class battleships at tier 8 to counter the Tirpitz.
I forgot to add Scharnhorst was built as a reply to Dunkerque
they h=could have this ship mounted with 4×4 🙂 maybe I would buy it despite the dispersion
iChase this is very easy to understand – they saw in paper: almost 30 knots, 8 guns with no broadside on lower tier (easier, worse players against it) – WG said in meeting about this ship – nerf this of they will stat pad with – neft this beast – and they did it soo much that this ship is just bad.
After many videos – not only your video – i understand that Dunkuerque is shit and Scharnorst with 280mm guns is not as good (bad main guns penetraton) as i hoped soo lol … i will go with Bayern in tier 6 and Gneisenau with 380mm guns (who also has torpedoes despite initially WG i think wanted to give torpedoes to only premium german battleships) and i will be much better and much more happy in compare to what i wanted: 6 – Dunkuerque and 7 – Scharhnorst.
Yeah we won the match where everyone targeted you and you did bounce on the berg. I kind of figured from watching it live in action that ship is just not worth it. Especially when a few ships hit and your HP took a nose dive. What is the end all be all is when you can’t get a cit on a German paper cruiser.
the Tech-tree ship will probably be her sistership straßbourg, which should be a bit better since it had a 283 mm belt compared to Dunkerques 225mm also straßbourgs Turrets where better armored so should have a bit more survivability so there is a bit hope for the class
Can’t stop laughing when Chase pauses and tries to rephrase some words when describing the ship.
To put this out here I’m saying get her but if you don’t want to then don’t just ignore her but chase should have mentioned that she was only build to withstand the Graf Spee and some Italian cruisers not these 14-16in super ships she should be played like a cruiser leader not a BB leader plus you need to have the upmost attention on maneuvering and keeping watch of you map for those pesky DDs you can’t be going full retard by fighting enemy BBs alone have at least 1 other cruiser with you who can fire HE and distract the other ships while you attack like a tag team with one spamming HE and you firing AP. That’s all I have to say for now
WG must be pretty dumb thinking ppl will buy shit floating on water,they have no idea about business at all.
From all T6 premium Battleships(i.e. Arizona, Warspite, Dunkerque) which one would you recommend?
the dunkerque a sniper nope brawler nope then i know what it could be a meat sheid
is this ship a joke? or is this ship a joke itself?
Well she is more like a battlecruiser so it would make sense if the guns were good against cruisers…..
Nice french engineering 😀 commissioned in 1937, 20 years later than the other tier 6 battleships, and still getting shafted by them, oh France never change
WG needs to make battlecrusier classes as a side, apart from just grouping whole bunch of BB/BCs as BB. Example: scharnhorst; it’s not a goddamn BB for life of it, because of caliber of gun. maybe throw a preferential MM that puts one BCs on each side of team.
Sad 🙁 She realy interested me.But if shes realy that Bad?!I better save my Money.*sniff*
Give it tighter dispersion, drop the reload to 25 sec, and buff the turret health. Boom you have a unique cool ship. Makes no sense for WG to have made this ship this bad. Well other than to take shots at WGEU which is based in Paris.
I think this layout would have worked historically, since the secondary guns do actually have a much longer range, as is the case of the Izumo. But well, WG have to nerf battleships enough to be on par with destroyers and cruisers, so yeah…
In the latest version of public test they doubled the turret health though. Still doesn’t make her a good ship. One other issue is that since you dont have turrets at the back you can’t really fight while running away. It’s not all great to have 100% fire power at the front either.
Paint me like one of your French battleships, Chase…
From the looks of it; it needs to be tier 5 or its stats buffed. :(
French ship? My new main target :).
Chase you say if I was in this battleship or that battleship I wouldn’t run off id stay and fight that Colorado , if you take a ship that really isn’t a battleship , it came from a AC design (I would say it was more a French political decision to call it such) and in its final design would not be fighting 16inch armed battleships , not to mention its only armed with 13inch guns. As I’m sure you are aware battleships are generally built to fight ships of comparable or lesser armament , the Colorado was built with the assumption it can go up against ships with main armament of 16inch , Dunkerque was designed to counter 11inch armed ships. If you go head to head with larger calibre gun ships and get over matched well then that really is to be expected equally you cant expect the Dunkerques 13inch guns to over match battleships with better armour that also most of witch had been built long before the naval limitations treaty the Dunkerque was built under and as such have an advantage in size , armour and armament.
+iChaseGaming Seems like the french BB’s, or at least this one, is/are going to be campy mid range cruiser killers?
so its french and it sucks
Just a headsup, iChase: “turret” is the entire assembly, including the cylindrical construction in the hull itself. What you see containing the actual guns, is called a “gunhouse”. As the bulkhead only divides the box where the guns are, the “turret” is not divided, but the “gunhouse” is. I just thought you’d like to know.
I love and trust these reviews, and I actually put your word as trustworthy on the level of Notser and Aeroon.
Guess Dunkerque is a cure for our addiction to premium ships, eh? ;-P
Over 60k experience on the ship, I’d say you gave her a fair chance. Btw, that on deck walk through was pretty neat.
Whoever buys this and the Scharnhorst will be seeing overpen ribbons in their sleep. I’ll pass on this one, at least for the time being. Especially since there’s no other French ships in the game (yet) so don’t really need a French trainer.
I know this is a game but your comment about running into any ship with 356mm main armament and how she cant go up against those ships, I think the problem is the simple fact this ship was designed to counter German cruisers with armament no larger than 280mm. The ship was never designed to fight battleships , everything abut the ship given the limitations put on the weight limit is geared to hunt and chase down cruisers.
Even when she deflected a round from Hood off the 330mm turret roof it still took out the right compartment , every other shell over matched the ship.
Thanks for the honest review. I hope they buff her (quite a lot) if not before she gets released, then in the coming weeks. Those where my observations as well.. that and she catches fire from Nothing. One review I’ve seen, the guy constantly had 2-3 and even 4 fires on him. This is a ship you want to play to enrage yourself before switching out to the Yamato and lash out.
it seems like new wows premium ships have lost all quality (except the new German ship)
Battlecruisers vs battleships, that explains the Scharnhorst and the Dunkerque.
Why don’t you ever mentioned the USS Arizona
I would think for 4 barrels, it’s be pretty accurate. I was even thinking about getting the ship when it came out.
If Richelieu is also this bad, I would still buy Richelieu just for her look. Dunkerque looks somewhat crude to me tho.
The turrets have 15000 HP each… For a comparison Warspite has 20000 HP per turret, mind you they are duals. So Warspite has a total of 80000 turret HP while Derpkerque has a total of 30000. That’s bloody fragile for such huge turrets.
By the way, you managed to miss that the first salvo on the NC had him broadside at a rather short range. Result: Ricochet and non-pen. 0 damage on broadside…
It’s like Wargaming made the Dunkerque be everything Soviet ships would have been if the game were actually accurate.
how do you get your camera so low, I can’t do it with the replay system. Please, tell me your secrets oh wise one!
That’s sad to hear. Hmm, you think it would have been better had it been tier 5?
2nd review of the Dunkerque that day. Nice! (first one was from Aerroon) And 2 different advices! nice too, i hate unilateral opinions. the important thing is that flaws of the ship seems to be quite obvious: bad dispersion, bad armor. Ok. For the other points, it seems to depend on game experience. The ship must be judged for her tier. At tier 6, you can fight tier 8, but you can also fight tier 4! Tier for tier, the Dunkerque is fast, the rudder shift is good too. Her camo is bad, she will be spotted from long range, and if she can reply with a good fire range (far more than the new mex and the warspite), she won’t do a lot a lot of damage due to dispersion. She’s a brawler. Everything in her says it : Fast, all guns in front, bad dispersion. And she’s not fit to fight other BBs, too. The real Dunkerque was designed to fight deutshland class, the pocket battleships, wich were cruisers. (And Gneisnau class was designed to fight Dunkerque in response!) Note that the HE shells has 35% chance to set fire! may be a good option to fight higher tier BBs, if necessary. I can’t wait to try her, but one thing seems sure: it will not be an easy BB to master!
who else spent half of his game wanting to hit the “T” button
I think I can understand why the Dunkirk’s armor is the way it is…it was NEVER intended to fight other battleships. From my research, her design was to counter German Pocket Battleships which used 11 in guns
How did you do the on deck walk through? That was pretty cool!
I was that cleve that was standing still :D. what happened was the game crashed, i wasn’t playing at that point
lies ichasegaming in 0.5.10 its either +1/-1 tier in battle
why not go full cruiser mode and spam HE?
Just another ship that shows how little they care about anything but the Russian and Japanese ships.
kind of a bummer… She certainly had a lot going for her and seemed VERY unique. I was looking forwards to her, but not anymore. Great review as always Chase. Too bad it wasn’t more positive. Hopefully WG will give her some love.
The only thing consistent about her guns is their inconsistency.
This settles my decision between it and Scharnhorst
Between this and the Scharnhorst I swear Wargaming is just trying to make me go broke. I honestly don’t care how unremarkable she is I like the French quadruple turreted ships of the 30s. Which probably means I buy this thing when it comes out. then proceed to eat nothing but cereal for the next month…
Kongo seems to be better in every aspect…
Dat free camera
This ship is more like a battlecruiser cruiser armor, battleships size, maneuverability, and speed, with battleship guns
are you going to do a preview on the koing albert?
Poor Dunkerque gets no love from anyone
Jesus, you shot at the flat broadside of a BB and only get 3 over pens? This ship seems garbage tier.
With armor like that any tier 7-8 cruiser is going to be able to crunch your citadel at medium-close range.
I think this is also a negative, but being the only French ship, you get one one French Captain. You can’t use any other captain. So it’ll be a strugglebus to even level up that Captain to make your ship marginally better.
I saw this ship when I was testing out update 5.9. I was super excited and went to record the battle just to show off this rather unique ship (mispronounced the name horribly). I was honestly super excited to see her and thought about buying but seeing this review and Flamu’s, not so much. It is rather disappointing.
Also probably doesn’t help that most people recognize and will attempt to kill you.
And I was so looking forward to this ship.. Ohh well.
maybe preventive maintenance for the main turret problem ? i never used that skill before
Though I know the almighty Chase will not advise, Im getting her. Mainly because of historical reasons, collector and because of the movie Dunkirk next year. Love ya Chase, and wish me luck when I do buy her and die unrelentingly in battle XD
This is kind of ridiculous, these turrets aren’t quad turrets, they’re double dual turrets, we can visibly SEE the guns are divided in the middle. Why they don’t model this properly is beyond me…
Sad, she could have been a beauty :(
Oh your are using YOKOSUKA!!!
She was designed to sink the Deutschland class and other raiders of commerce… yeah, hard to place in this game. Scharnhorst was designed to kill it lol
Shame I was thinking on picking one up one of these days.But do agree that she is a gorgeous ship.
Not a big shock that her armor sucks. She was actually a battlecruiser, not a battleship. She was designed to go after the German “pocket battleships” like the Graf Spee.
You were playing her wrong…
You need to mount the White flag and run away from all the enemies….
Good review iChase, I fully agree with your sentiments on the frustration of trying to find a suitable role for the ship. As well as the nagging fear in the back of your mind that any fight against a BB is going to cripple your firepower by losing a turret, as for some reason the DQ has 15k hp turrets just like the Fuso. Could have at least given it 20k hp turrets like the Warspite has.. it only has 2 of them after all. With the Scharnhorst I could aggressively use the speed to hunt and harass enemy cruisers, with the DQ I’m mostly using the speed to run away..
well, i had this once: i played my tirpitz and both front guns got knocked out + 1 torpedo tube (unfortunately on the wrong side because i was within 4 km range with a north caro) so what to do then? well, run away so your rear guns can fire and try to hit the north caro in the front magazine but we all know the freaky dispersion from the tirpitz, even at 4 km 2 shells fly over the bow, 1 lands in water and the last shell hits the first meter of the bow or smth simular but either an overpen or bounce, then you turn to the other side to try to get your torpedoes off, well… RNG loves the tirpitz… secondary disabled it and my repiar was on cooldown, now you took a full boradside from a north carolina…
so another question: what do you want with a ship, actually a BATTLESHIP in a battle that cant do anything except ramming?
the fuck did wargaming to both ships? i could try to fight in this battle, even it didnt worked for me but wtf are you supposed to do with the dunkerque if a sniping north caro destroys both main turrets?, close distance for a torp run? this ship has no “last-stand weapon”, what about ramming? well, why would you give your life for nothing if you are the north carolina, your somewhat full hp, your have your guns, why wouldnt you dodge the ramming from the dunkerque? try to get as many fires as possible from your secondaries? yeah, sure, of course, first you need to pass the north carolina, otherwise your secondaries do nothing, second of all, the north carolina needs only 1 good salvo, maybe 2 if your are almost full hp, then north carolina uses heal, put the fire out and the final score says: “you havent proofed yourself in battle!”
whats the point of having a full hp battleship in battle that cant do anything at all except go to ram another battleship? you’re a free kill for the enemy team and i dont want to just run away as far as possible from a battle as a battleship only that i maybe survive? why should it be the only thing i can do so that my team doesnt loose the points lead, or atleast delayed, if you going for a ram it must be a secured ram kill, otherwise you are a free kill…
WARGAMING, you seriously need to do something with those main guns, otherwise the Dunkerque doesnt generate good selling numbers xD
i really hope this ship does change even though i will never get premium ships it’s nice too see game plays of those ships
At least it is nothing to fear if you meet her in battle :D
she burns easy too
Out of curiosity, have you tried just going all HE the whole game? Its HE looks really good with that huge fire chance and decent damage. I just wonder if using HE most of the time would actually be more effective.
WELL, it Frenchie characteristic after all. Just like WOT xD
Straight savage on the review.
WG hate the French just a little more than they hate the British
Well I’m still getting her as a BB collector… but I appreciate the heads up. The shell clusters didn’t look that bad in this vid. Was this your best one in her?
It might be a battlecruiser?
Just when you think Wargaming is listening to the people they stick their heads up there anus and give us a ship which shoots sponge balls. Wargaming when will you learn, give us good ships as you have done before; most of the time but not always. Listen to people like Ichase or offer him a job. If you want to get people to buy lots of ships give us good ships and listen to the people
I don’t understand why WG would want to make a paid ship be so bad. It sounds like they actually WANT it to suck. I thought they would want every premium to be at least average to really good, otherwise not as many people will buy it since mainly just the collector types will still want it.
Really, is WG making it some sick joke that the first French battleship in the game is so bad that it’s only good trait is that it can run away quickly?
Thanks iChase! I always appreciate an honest review that warns me up front rather than forcing me to read into the words because the reviewer is bought and paid for. You’re my go to guy for all things WOW. I listen to Notzer for all things you don’t cover. I love the extra you do in covering the history of the ships too.
I would say that she is a tier 5 at best. Going up against tier 7 is already a stretch, going up against the tier 8 is just committing suicide.
SHIT … I was really waiting for her… Still gonna buy it do…. I love her… Sexy…
This review sort of sums up my relationship with battleships in general
Bouncing shells off of destroyers, getting no consistent hits what so ever, which is especially annoying when you NEED to dispose of a low helath cruiser that is broadside on quickly and you get 2 broadsides that miss completely at less than 10km range or something like that when the games get close
Is that me doing something wrong? I’m not entirely sure what to do anymore, I just can’t get consistent results out of battleship armament for the life of it, and im triyng really hard to practice more and conciously look for my own error
but no matter how perfectly i try to and manage to place my salvos, the shells usually spread about 40% behidn 40% in front of the target and the rest are usually overpens through the superstructure, and i’m really not the type to be negative and salty
dunkerque will get dunked often prrrrrr(making a grin+tongue out)
When does this ship come on in the Premium shop. I’m thinking of getting it just because..
Henceforth she shall be known as Surrendership.
But Chase you didnt show or higlight how fast its french “retreat mode” reverse is :p
The amount of sighs u make in this video…lol
Thanks or the heads up iChase. I was feeling a bit uneasy about it from a few videos posted over the past week. Your’s really shows my shared disappointment with it. This ship really needs some buffs for sure or make it a T4-5 lol.
So, let me know if I’m getting this wrong. She can’t tank, she can’t snipe, she can’t brawl, she can’t run, she can’t maneuver, she can’t withstand planes… She can’t even hide and wait for the battle to cap-out. Am I grasping the gist of it?
yea just did a group play with this pretty ship next to me and it got owned very early in the game. Now you know why there is hidden stats in the game which is for these lame boats to perform better than they should on their official release.
Don’t hold back, just tell us what you think…lol.
Before I watch, tell me, does it go faster backwards than forwards?
The french should have taken one of the main turrets and put it on the back. Then you would still have the same firepower but now it is a battlecruiser. What were they thinking?
From watching the show you seem to get a lot of 5 shots out of 8, just overpens combined with the lower damage the guns do, since your doing overpens most of the time the overall effect is you do less damage. I think its more that you are used to doing mass damage even with overpens that its the lack of damage you are seeing not the lack of hitting.
Wait for the Rodney. I’m waiting for the Brooklyn.
Damn it… I was actually hoping it would be a nice ship… I kinda of had my eyes on her because a friend said they would add a French BB with four cannons per turret… Such disappointment…
something, something…. french battleship… something, something… goes faster in reverse…
So, at max range, only the front gun will reach the target….
Looking forward to seeing you and notser joining up on stream sometime :)
I was so looking forward to getting this ship…until I watched your review. With the way Wargaming has just totally and completely mucked it up, why did they even waste their time with it? The ship historically had its strengths and weaknesses, but if you are going to totally ignore every bit of it…why even bother? Seems like such potential wasted for nothing.
Btw chase I was the nurnberg that your shells bounced off of ?
An eye candy ship, I was wondering if I should get the Dunkerque or the Warspite, but after the review (and the match, I was lucky enough to be in the same match as you were), it seems the Warspite is the way to go.
Sad to hear the Dunk is bad. I was going to buy her… now waiting for a French cruiser :(
Here’s hoping that, given the tremendous amount of negative reviews she’s getting, that Wargaming will buff her considerably before selling her.
Man I’m so disappointed with this ship 🙁 Any chance, like at all, that they’ll at least consider giving her a buff??
P.s. to anyone that is playing a BB, and finds one of these on the enemy team – just aim for the turrets. ;D
She was a ship conceived to take out a Graf Spee type ship and only that. She was a more inefficient version of the Graf Spee’s “Faster than anything that can Outgun it and Outguns anything that Outruns it” But they used a very narrow advantage over the Graf Spee to do it so due to Treaty limitations and budget constraints but even the French acknowledged the Dunkerque inadequacies when the Germans laid down the Scharnhorst.
So what you’re saying is that she’s as unremarkable in game as she was in real life?
it is a battlecruiser not battleship so was more designed to take on cruisers and pocket battleships like graf spee
It’s a good ship for training yourself…. Compensating for the faults of your ship makes you play better… If you do well in this ship it will make you play other ships with less faults better since you’re used to being in a disadvantage…. Like going to war naked, if you do well, wearing armor would make you even more deadlier..
Guess she is sort of like the Atlanta for BBs, you either love it or hate it. This French bb is a beauty though. Oh well. Well there is still German bbs to look forward to.
seems a low tier premium izumo, only worse
I watched this video practically drooling at the thought of how easily my Nagato will tear Dunkerques apart
I could forgive a lot of things, but poor guns AND armour? The Dunkerques were the most powerful French battleships ever built, for heaven’s sake. A battleship can be played with poor guns or armour, but not both. At that point, it’s just an HP pinata. Why on earth didn’t they give the Dunquerke a very slow reload, high accuracy, good bow armour and excellent penetration? With proper turret armour? It is so very obviously the kind of BB that should be pushing hard and targeting other battleships, but with these stats…urgh.
There is another concern. If they’re making the Dunquerke a premium, it’s unlikely we’ll be getting a fully fleshed out French battleship line. So…yeah.
That’s really a shame, I thought it would be at least decent
This could of been a tier 5 and I don’t think it’d make it great :/
It’s interesting watching other people’s reviews, people have either loved it or hated it. :D
Hi ichase I would still probably purchase her, despite her flaws, but remember the Dunkerque class was designed as a counter to the German Pocket Battleships and her protection against their 11″ guns. Great video I do enjoy following your valued reviews, academy and twitch kind regards
Oh no a Colorado better start running away.
Well it is French
They modeled it as two turrets instead of 4? They’re getting pretty lazy, which isn’t good now that there’s competition.
I’d be pretty pissed if I were French tbh. I realise that historically there were good ships and bad ships, but in this game Wargaming dictates so many factors they can make a ship balanced for it’s tier. Yeah, the Dunkerque should have bad armour from what I’ve read, and the guns might be lacking in penetration (plus effects of normalisation on lower calibre rounds), but why not give her better, more reliable dispersion? That’s a factor Wargaming does fully dictate.
First the Krasny Krym, now this?
What is it with WarGaming making premium ships not worth buying lately?
Is it any good at all if you are perfectly bow in?
Does it come with a white flag? ;)
Iam just a 3:55 and i have to say a Tier 6 Premium Battleship..where we all know a Premium ship is almost not good as a normal tier Ship …compare to a Tirpitz..is not fair… if he you said that she get killed a hundred times by tier 5 and 6 ships easily i would understand but i dont understand the rant about get massive hits by tier 8 BBs thats just normal. And to compare it with a scharnhorst is also fail… this ship is about to kill in tier 6 , 5 and 4 games not to be competitive in tier7 and never in tier 8 games. And by thy way after your replay i think she is a good ship… after that nearly last shot you just aimed to low…. i think i would buy it
Well everyone thought the Indianapolis was absolutely terrible and to be fair it was but it got buffed slightly so who knows…? Maybe they’ll buff the Dunkerque slightly. We can only hope!
Really a German cruiser three she’ll bounced wow just wow
If you look closely you can see the german battleships in port!
Called it. French ships are gonna suck dick. Why? Because they’re French. You forget, England and USA had to bail their asses out of not only WW1 but WW2
Sounds like most of the secondaries are best suited for running away. Definitely French.
So would the Richelieu be the standard tier 6 french BB?
in real life the Dunkerque class was build in a hury for the french navy to patch a hole when the German launch the Deutchland class….so its not the very best ship to face BB…it was build to chase German fast cruiser and pocket BB
what is your opinion on war thunder naval forces?
But the true question is how fast does it go in reverse?!?!?
Welp now I know I can save money, thx for the warning iChase
I’m thinking Aerroon has been paid to give a positive review. Other reviewers like Flamu and ichase here. People I credit with integrity. Are telling it like it is. It’s a bad ship.
Surprised the turrets are not all at the back since the French ran away so much
It’s a glorified piggy bank from Wargaming
How did you get the first person perspective at the start?
with that dmg it looks like it would almost be more reliable just shooting he in it…maybe…
I don’t care what he says about the ship I what it it fits my play style which is charging straight in Bow on
looks like a T5 BB to me stat wise….
Also i was in a New Orleans a while ago and saw a Dunkerque on the enemy team…fired one AP salvo right at the start of the match and permanantly knocked out BOTH of her main battery guns. after that i went to HE and then burned her down some and also knocking out 3 more secondaries…leaving him with 1 secondary gun…..then he went and rammed a NC that went charging in wanting the kill
Actually a proper Tier 6 French BB would have been the Normandy. More Firepower though slower.
Or the Gille class battlecruiser. Similar Speed, suck armor but more firepower than the Dunkerque.
Or even better the Lyon but I think that one is a Tier 7
I really hope it gets buffed before release. I was getting kind of hyped for this beauty. Let’s hope that this also does not bode ill for a future French ships like Strassbourg and Richelieu.
“paper armor”, what did you expect, its french
Its a battle cruiser! No Battleship!
well shit, was looking forward to this now its all seems meh :(
Would u rather: Myogi or Dunkerque Bogue or Karlsruhe (insert Kappa here)
BTW @iChase i used to Be SeaAirAndLand…..i changed my name and pic to express my passion for sealclubbing (insert RainbowKappa here)
how did you do the deck walk? D:
Can you do a review of the german battle ships
Is Aerroon the only one who likes this ship?
still gonna get it because the name just….. *orgasm*
The people seem to be divided about this one. Aeroon seems to like it…Flamu does not
at least its a cool port decoration :)
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