Loading...Here’s our First Look at Tier VIII Russian aircraft carrier Pobeda. Roughly constructed on the hull of a Kronshtadt-class battlecruiser, Pobeda carries more armor than her Tier VI predecessor. The overall theme of her air groups remains the same: big strikes, weak planes, fast attack aircraft, slow torpedo bombers. Let’s see how she stacks up to a crowded field of competition in her tier.
FROM WARGAMING:
Hit points – 55,200. Plating – 19 mm.
Maximum HE shell damage – 1,800. Chance to cause fire – 8%. HE initial velocity – 950 m/s
AA defense: 6×2 130.0 mm., 16×2 45.0 mm.
AA defense mid-range: continuous damage per second – 315, hit probability – 100 %, action zone – 3.5 km;
AA defense long-range: continuous damage per second – 123, hit probability – 100 %, action zone – 6.0 km;
Number of explosions in a salvo – 6, damage within an explosion – 1,540, action zone 3.5 – 6.0 km.
Maximum speed – 33.5 kt. Turning circle radius – 1,090 m. Rudder shift time – 14.9 s. Surface detectability – 13.8 km. Air detectability – 12.0 km.
Available consumables:
Slot 1 – Damage Control Party;
Slot 2 – Fighter;
Aircraft:
Attack aircraft
Hit points – 1,000, cruising speed – 161.0 knots, size of attacking flight – 6, aircraft per squadron – 6, aircraft restoration time – 76 s, detectability range – 10.0 km, number of aircraft on deck – 12.
Rockets in payload – 4, maximum rocket damage – 3500, armor penetration – 40 mm, chance to cause fire – 17 %.
Torpedo bombers
Hit points – 1,470, cruising speed – 115.0 knots, size of attacking flight – 6, aircraft per squadron – 6, aircraft restoration time – 91 s, detectability range – 10.0 km, number of aircraft on deck – 12.
Torpedoes in payload – 1, maximum torpedo damage – 5,400, aerial torpedo speed – 35.0 knots, torpedo range – 6 km, torpedo arming distance 752 m.
Skip bombers
Hit points – 1,310, cruising speed – 120.0 knots, size of attacking flight – 6, aircraft per squadron – 6, aircraft restoration time – 89 s, detectability range – 10.0 km, number of aircraft on deck – 12.
Bombs in payload – 1, bomb type – HE, maximum bomb damage – 8,700.0, armor penetration – 54 mm, chance to cause fire – 49 %, skips count – 3.
All stats are listed without crew and upgrade modifiers but with best available modules. The stats are subject to change during the testing.
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Pobeda was Slava in testing, and now it comes back to haunt us, as an aircraft carrier…
Belt armor difference is for ship balancing. Also Kaga was a BB before she got turn into a CV so her armor is thicker, and her speed is slower than other CVs
Lexington’s belt is also asymmetrical, I assume that’s (a) historical and (b) for ship stability reasons.
Forgive me for asking, but don’t the Russian CVs have the special ability of launching each squadron with a rocket assist? Like how the Ise/Tone planes operate?
Dunno, I haven’t played one nor seen one in-game, so I can’t say.
@SeaRaptor I remember that being mentioned in the official announcement of the cvs, but things can change :). Thanks for such great, informative content sir!
They do have it. This is good in mid to late battle when you can push into better position.
@SebaX Awesome! Its good know they have this ability.
Why dont u play it?
While we are allowed to play test ships, we are not allowed to talk about them (same as the supertesters). I didn’t sign up to be a supertester; I’ve steadfastly avoided the program for years for a variety of reasons. Since I’m not allowed to talk about them, I don’t play them until they are outside of the NDA period. That way I don’t accidentally say something I shouldn’t, and can’t develop an impression of the ship until it is in its final state and not still being changed.
Ok i understand
Pobeda was a T10 bb in my memory
It was Pobeda then Slava
I could understand the occasional paper ship in a line from time to time but this entire line will be made up of paper ships. This game is becoming more and more fantasy.
this line is actually less fantasy than the German CV line, but I saw less complaining then…
@Valkyrie Down Since at least the Graf Zeppelin was started and none of these Soviet paper CV’s ever got close to a shipyard I would disagree with you.
@1stpogo Well Graf Zeppelin isn’t in the CV line, so I wasn’t counting her. Also, the T4, 8, and 10 are all based on hulls that were lain down and in stages of construction, with the furthest along being that of the Soyuz hull being just over half complete. Compare this to the German tech tree, where the hull of the Weser was completed but never converted, and the H-39 class BB MVR is based on being ordered but never progressing construction past being supposedly lain down.
ol look another overpower russian ship in the game (kaga was bb and lexington was battlecruser converted to cv )!!!! The olny cv in us you could get her to compere in uss enterprise (yorktown class cv)!!!
She is based on the after war hull of Kronshtadt (it was only the hull so they could just swap the flight deck but Stalin canceled it)
I guess as a historian, I have a problem with “suspension of belief” when it comes to the majority of the Russian paper tech tree, but mostly the abominations that are Russian carriers. I understand and accept that for more casual players or non-historians, “ships are ships” but this game started off relatively “accurate” with the first big paper ship being Montana I believe. I remember the forums back then going up about how Montana was a “fake” ship and had no business in the game and WG’s pragmatic response was: “You need something to fight Yamato and since Yamato was the only real battleship of Tier X quality, be prepared for paper ships to fill in the blanks spots to make the game competitive and add variety.” Fair enough. The Russian tech tree is where WG lost its mind however and basically fan fictioned unbelievable ships into reality. Then the meme of all memes: Russian carriers. There’s no need for Russian carriers when other countries actually had real carriers not yet in the game. Russia was a brown water navy of small ships (more boats most often than not). I look at this ship you’re reviewing and knowing what I know about WW2 Soviet naval industrial capabilities and their actual “navy,” I just laugh. I can’t take these things seriously. WG needs an intervention.
As a history major, I am frankly enthusiastic about seeing paper ships in game. Yes odd balls like Republique and Nahkimov don’t sit right with me, but one of my favorite aspects about looking at the history of various schools of engineering is seeing the hypotheticals, preliminaries, design studies, and earnest attempts throughout history. Paper ships, and I mean genuine paper ships, have always intrigued me for this reason. Make no mistake, I am not an engineer, but I have always found this stuff cool.
@Valkyrie Down I respect that. I just can’t let go of the fact that the Soviet Union lacked the ability to actually make some of these paper ships. Not from lack of material, but from lack of engineering and fabrication knowledge. It’s one thing to blueprint a legitimate and viable ship, but if you can’t build it because you don’t have the ability, then it’s a fool’s errand. The Soviet Union tried many times to contract out the armor plating and sometimes, complete ships to other countries.
The Japanese had the same problem going into WW1, but unlike the Soviets, the ships they got from Britain were analyzed and Japanese engineers went to Britain to observe and watch naval construction techniques. They took notes and doing what the Japanese do so well, they didn’t invent, they innovated. They took someone else’s idea and built off of it and by the time WW2 started, Japan had some of the most advanced ships in the world (whether the rest of the world was aware of it or not).
The Soviets took other country’s built ships and used them. You can tear a ship apart and look at the parts all you want, but unless you have the ability to fabricate and construct said parts, it’s moot. That’s why I don’t have a problem with German and Japanese paper ships. Both countries proved they had the ability to construct the ships if material and time had allowed. The naval engineering was real in both Germany and Japan. The USA obviously could build the Montana class if it chose to. If Germany hadn’t waffle stomped France, I’m sure the Republique could’ve been launched since France proved they could build ships without training wheels.
The Pobeda test ship was Slava but without the reductions in armor and health compared to Kremlin
This sea raptor guy sounds just like No Zoup for you?
Less whiney
Pobeda was Slava, back when she was the monstrously OP ship that spawned so many bias memes and shitposts
I could see this ship being good in brawls or ranked, but too fragile for randoms.
stop worrying about pronunciation, a lot of languages use sounds that only a 5 to 8 year old has a change of learning. A Russian carrier ain’t worthy of the effort anyways, they are fake ships.
You are correct about the uneven armor on Lexington. It was to counterbalance the weight of the island since the ship was not designed as a CV. As you guessed, it is likely the same with the Soviets.
Tulsa will be T9
Yes, that’s a mod.
The planes are immune to AA during the “spin up time”