Loading...Most of my World of Warships followers know I’m pretty easy going. As of late, I rarely hit back at Wargaming and usually let bygones be bygones. However, I can’t sit by regarding dead eye. The effects on the game and the players base are too big to ignore, and something needs to happen. Whether it’s a nerf, or a tweak, or a pause, I don’t care. Something needs to happen soon. It’s not that dead eye is super OP. Its the psychological effects its causing which resulting in a major meta shift. BBs are no longer pushing. With no support, CA/CL players aren’t playing that class, and DDs are not wanting to cap. It’s a pretty vicious cycle that has fallen on WOWS, and we need to break it. Wargaming needs to do this sooner rather than later. No more time is needed to see the negative impacts on the player base. It’s time to act.
The meta changed long ago. Dead eye is just amplifying its effects. We had BBs camping long before deadeye was even on the drawing board.
Largely due to over-powered CVs – like MvR.
And why did they camp? Endless HE spam from every direction. You try pushing and every dd and cruiser zips off to the back leaving you to barbecue. Nobody is going to keep doing that over and over.
Frankly I use dead against the enemy in many ways . One being hoping from island cover to cover in my German BBs . It has lead me to rediscover the art of using my secondary battery to better effect . Plus the shell grouping permit one to simply turn the helm over to avoid hits. Perhaps Notser should make more more use of his A S W keys . he should imbrace the suck. After all he was one of CC clowns that got secondary guns nerfed . So he should be punished in my mind
the camping at the back meta was long ago, back then almost half my games were draws, i have over 2000 games that ended in a draw back then camping was the meta and deadeye just made it easier, i remember a few years back WG tried to make BBs push forward and then gave it up to introduce a ton of HE spammers and now Deadeye + HE spammer = there isnt any point in pushing, when a decent Thunderer can rack up 200-300k dmg in less than 10 minutes, GK can snipe and get citadels from 15km out whats the point in pushing. had a few games in my GK where i 1 shot cruisers from max range which was previously nearly impossible to accomplish every game.
Put their PR boots on. Very poor choice of words.
What boggles me is they have said they’d change the ships rather than adjust the talents themselves, when they first released the rework. Like, are they stupid?
yeah, I’ve been okay with the game even though there were aircraft carriers in the game like in ranked and clan battles. But ever since the deadeye thing got introduced, I’ve been avoiding the game because it has become a game that isn’t fun to play and isn’t worth the time playing when there are other games that are clearly much more fun to play. Wargaming has forgotten that a game must be worth your time to play and is fun/entertaining to play. I’ve found the game to have shifted to a phase where most players thinks that sitting in the back is the way to play. It makes close quarter engagments rare and resulting constant blowout matches which made the game boring. Whether you are on the winning team or the losing team, the battles aren’t fun anymore.
Last night had a game with 3 Thunderers in a division in my team. Other side had a division with 2 Thunderers. Fucking hate Dead Eye and this rework.
I stopped playing after the Duke of York event, I was a alpha and beta tester and nothing this game has done since then has made it look worth returning to.
The thing is Zoup, the way you discussed this, it appears you’re taking these cuts piece by piece. “Oh the CV rework, oh the commander rework, etc”. Its cumulative. I’m a cruiser main, and I’d like to think, a moderately decent one. I guess what really gets me is that they’ve been killing the cruisers. And don’t forget the toxic monetization games they’ve played – that dockyard BS and the loot crate BS stiffing you with a bunch of BS, garbage ships to get to the good ones, etc, etc, etc.
The CV rework sucked the joy out of my AA cruisers. Oh how I loved setting up a flak trap in my old T6 Cleveland. I had that ship speced out to be an AA monster – tuck it in behind an island supporting my DDs and wait for the red CV to try and pounce….and then unleash DFAA and wipe out a significant fraction of the red air, largely neutering their CV. Their play, my counter play (spec for AA, use friendly DD as bait, position to set the trap, then spring it). I used to do the same with my DM. Now? What’s the point? The air comes back, again, and again, and again…with no end, and no effective counter play. Yeah, a good AA cruiser can hold off the CV, can deter the CV, but its always there, always a threat. Wiping out a squadron used to be to a CV like taking 2 or 3 cits in a BB or having 1/2 the HP shaved off a DD – it forced them to be a lot more conservative in their play. Now? Nothing. You know, iChase I think it was, got it right when he said that WG is in error in re the CV rework. WG looks and says “look, more people are playing CVs, more people like playing CVs, the rework is a success!”. He pointed out that they aren’t considering what people think playing against the new CVs. And that, clearly is a failure. Tell me, who, exactly, likes playing against the low tier IJN CVs? The ones that can torp and torp and torp endlessly without any hope if you’re on the receiving end? If the red CV chooses to focus you, you are literally nothing more than a human controlled target. There is nothing you can do. Been there, done that on both sides – it sucks @$$ to be on the receiving end. If you spend the whole game trying to dodge, your turrets are never on target and you do sh*t for damage.
And now with the commander rework: So, cruisers lost one of their playstyles with the CV rework – the AA / counter-CV play is gone. And now, what do we have? How do cruisers fit into the current meta other than as human controlled targets for dead eye BBs? It used to be that with some maneuverability build and fire / IFHE, you could dance around at distance and spam the BBs while supporting DDs with your radar and sonar. So, how’s that work out today? Support DDs – get deleted. OK, take the standard US cruiser play and island hide…..at least back in the day, the BB on the other side of the map couldn’t nuke you from orbit, or the other end of the map. Now? It sure sounds like they can. Pretty much you have to open up at least one angle to get fire out…and that opens up the ability for a BB to nuke you at ICBM distances. So, what, exactly, are cruisers supposed to do in the current game, especially at high tier? Are they the low tier BBs to the low tier IJN CV’s – human targets to make the dead eye BB players have a good time? Are cruisers just supposed to take it? Heck, at least low tier BBs can handle multiple IJN CV torp strikes. It doesn’t take too many cits from a Yammy to wipe a DM off the map.
And then never mind the BS of stealing my 25 or so 19 point captains I worked so hard for. And then never mind forcing me to do the literal work for all 100 plus captain respec. This was the thousandth cut for me. Rare is the person that files for divorce after one incident – its only after being abused again, and again, and again, and again, and yet again. And everyone thinks its the last incident…no, it isn’t necessarily that. It’s the whole series of events. WG, it isn’t me, it’s you….and we need to take a break.
I’ve still have hope for this game, I’m not leaving even though it’s unbearable.
I appreciate the hopeful outlook! I love the game too, and I hope it gets better
That’s where I’m at. I’m financially invested quite heavily. I hate where the game is at currently, but I can’t very well just leave either.
I’m not leaving (yet?), but I’m not giving WG another dime either. I used to be a huge whale too.
same – and I have $hundreds of dollars spent.. and this is my 99% game playing — @51yrs old no time to start anew.
My only regret is that nerfing Deadeye would make Roma no longer viable. She’s so much fun now that she is actually workable.
@Tyfighters002 Verkerk
No.
Flamu said everything i needed to hear
@cobrazax oh my got the worst cc ever said somthing better take it as the word of god lmao
@Tyfighters002 Verkerk
He knows what he is talking about more than most players. Sap has no advantage vs ap against them.
Turtleback is useless vs bbs
@cobrazax Meanwhile Potato Quality and Sea Lord Mountbatten both said the Italians are…fine. Personally I’m going to believe the guys that don’t make their money playing a game they seem to hate and really obviously wish they could transition to something else but their viewers only care about that one game so when they DID try to move away from it on twitch their numbers took a nose dive and since that’s funding their lifestyle…well…back to the game they hate playing again for the money and views.
Lets face it, Flamu is a Toxic whinebaby. Zoup, by contrast, tends to be the ‘Everything is fine, honest!’ WG shill.
And they both agree that Deadeye is bad for the game…let that sink in. Rare is it that we get a consensus this large across all CCs that something was a bad idea. Even the CV Rework didn’t get a universal agreement with Zoup thinking it was fine and ‘good for the game’ plus a few others generally enjoyed it. Deadeye is the first thing I’ve seen ALL CCs agree was a stupid move. Searaptor, Sealord Mountbatten, Potato Quality, Flamu, Flambass, heck even LittleWhiteMouse, who said that its benefits were exagerrated (with hard data to prove it) STILL said it was a bad idea.
@luketfer thank you dude, I dont have the mental stamina to explain this to everyone
Most people don’t want to grind every day and spend money like a whale In this game or a move on…..If I could get all my money back I would leave right now…all this game Is about spending money…..I enjoy the game alot but only can take so much. Now your crying for crs rights they don’t need any after all I did was try to get away from there ships with there stupid he……..
almost 400 boats in my port and at this point id sell the account for pocket lint lol
After trying it out and finding it boring, i took off DE on my battleships. Much more fun.
Yep. Same. I don’t even touch that nonsense anymore. I push, and I die, but I have fun. A little, anyway.
I’ve been playing on and off since the start of open Beta nothing has ever made me actually not want to open up the game like the latest commander rework. It felt like the game was completely different and I am not even sure if I will go back.
Zoup: spot destroyers, kill destroyers.
Other CV players: farm on BBs.
Other players: report CV for no AA cover.
the game starts and the BBs done bother even moving …..they see no need
The culmination of their screw-ups are coming to a head. It isn’t that the concepts are wrong (CV changes, expanding commander skills) it is that their execution is terrible.
They were on notice immediately with the PTS. They ignored it. The update came and went. They continue to ignore it. Their actions demonstrate a severe disconnect with their customers and a serious arrogance against them as well.
WG has made so many bad decisions over the years, how could they ever get their customers back? It’s like being in a bad relationship. At some point, apologies are meaningless and the break up is completely unavoidable. No amount of therapy can heal the wounds WG causes.
I write this as I sit here, in port, trying to get the motivation to play. And it just isn’t there. I think I’ll just log into DCS, power up my F-16, and go shoot down some planes that fly the colors of a certain communist unmentionable country.
totally agree.
they dont seem to care about their own players anymore…feedback from experienced players means nothing to them…hell even zoup the WG pet started to notice!!
I love dead I never had so much fun Using my destroyer to sneak up the flank and torpedo all those battleships that I just sitting still
I quit playing the game when they start coming out with premium ships that were over power. AKA The Belfast
The only thing WG is monitoring in my opinion is how well the ‘cash cow’ performs!
I think a major mistake they’re making is that they’re attributing things that the pandemic caused (more people playing, since there is nothing to do, more people spending money since they stopped going to restaurants etc.) to their brilliant game design decisions. For all their gusto about analyzing data, I wouldn’t be surprised if their management is actually extremely bad at understanding what the data actually means.
> they rarely reverse things implemented in game
They used to, in the first few years after Beta. They were a lot more receptive to feedback and criticism back then. But something got really rotten in Lesta around 2018(?)
Dead-Eye, WG’s version of the next James Bond movie.